BINOCULAR COLLECTION


BINOCULAR COLLECTION



BARR & STROUD CF41 - eBayUK purchase







Despite asking the seller specifically if they were collimated, they were decollimated. It is nigh impossible to get the seller to co-operate when this happens. They insist the binocular was collimated when it left their premises. They try to imply decollimation took place in transit, despite also stating their policy is to always pack every item securely.

This is the eBayUK listing and messages relating to this acquisition:

WW2 Period Royal Navy Issue CF 41 x7 Binoculars by Barr & Stroud of Glasgow & London Serial No 25860 circa 1940

This is a good pair of type CF41 binoculars, carried by the British Royal Navy. They were mainly used in Naval reconnasance use during WW2 also in the immediate post war period. They were of particular use in Low Light conditions, because of the configuration of the Porro 11 Prisms. This fine pair, are in good condition, with standard twin turrets, the left shoulder inscribed Barr & Stroud 7X CF41 Glasgow & London, and the right inscribed AP No 1900/Serial No 25880. The magnification is 7 X . The pattern AP No 1900A, was made from 1934. The black finish is unblemished, the 4 Way filters index correctly, and the optics are clear. There are the standard extending Shower shrouds, clear, originally yellow painted, Admiralty arrows to the main body, and individual eye focusing. The original fine quality, brown leather carrying case sound leather hinged lid, with carrying handle, and an original leather shoulder strap.

Dont miss out on this superb piece of Naval history to use or as a wonderful collectors item.

We have included multiple pictures which form an integral and largest part of our description, please study them carefully and feel free to ask any questions you may feel relevant. All our items are antique or collectable with wear commensurate with age and use, please take this into account when purchasing.

Oversea's buyers please contact for shipping costs prior to bidding.

Shipping policy is insured and tracked I will not despatch by cheaper unprotected methods as it is not worth the heartache should an item go astray. I estimate the cost at order stage then once item has been received any difference between payment and cost plus 5.00 packing is refunded to purchaser. All items are securely packed to protect them from transit damage.



From: ariscopapo

To: collector-jo

Subject: Other: ariscopapo sent a message about WW2 Vintage Royal Navy Issue Leather Cased Barr & Stroud CF41 Binoculars C1940 #321101758188

Sent Date: 01-May-13 14:59:48 BST

Dear collector-jo,

Are they collimated?

Chris Lord

- ariscopapo

Dear ariscopapo,

Yes Chris regards Jess Nelson

- collector-jo

From: ariscopapo

To: collector-jo

Subject: Other: ariscopapo sent a message about WW2 Vintage Royal Navy Issue Leather Cased Barr & Stroud CF41 Binoculars C1940 #321101758188

Sent Date: 10-May-13 14:11:50 BST

Dear collector-jo,

Joanne,

Received the binocular today. You may recollect my asking you if they were collimated. Your affirmative response led me to understand you knew what to look for. Unfortunately they are decollimated, which I have to say is not uncommon in WW2 binoculars. They give a double image in other words.

Had I known they require recollimation I would have made an offer £75 less your sale price, because that is how much it will cost to do the job.

The left hand filter wheel is also filterless. I am willing to accept them as described, but I am hoping you will share the recollimation cost, say £40.

Chris Lord

- ariscopapo

Dear ariscopapo,

Dear Chris,

I am very sorry you are not pleased with the binoculars, Joanne checked and shipped them for me as I was away sailing. Please return them to her and we will make a full refund

Kind regards

Jess Nelson

- collector-jo

From: ariscopapo

To: collector-jo

Subject: Re: Other: ariscopapo sent a message about WW2 Vintage Royal Navy Issue Leather Cased Barr & Stroud CF41 Binoculars C1940 #321101758188

Sent Date: 10-May-13 20:02:35 BST

Dear collector-jo,

Jess,

Please do not misunderstand, I am satisfied with their overall condition. They're hard to come by in anything like usable condition nowadays. I wish to keep them, but if you are willing, it would be appreciated if you made a contribution to the recollimation costs. I use a reputable firm, Newton & Ellis in Liverpool, who have been in business since 1947. I use them regularly. They charge £75. If you do not wish to contribute something towards the collimation costs, fine, but it will have some effect on my feedback, because I did ask if they were collimated, prior to paying the full asking price.

Chris Lord

- ariscopapo

Dear ariscopapo,

The reason I have asked you to return the optics is because I checked them very carefully before purchasing them at quite a high price so unless something happened to them during transportation I am at a loss as to why they are no longer aligned. I also checked the colour filters which were all intact and operational. I have traded many pairs of these binoculars so do not very often make such basic mistakes. If you decide to keep them I feel it extremely unreasonable of you to leave bad feedback. So either return them or be fair and leave no feedback.

regards

jess nelson

- collector-jo

Dear collector-jo,

The reason they're decollimated is because the prisms are beginning to separate - something very common in Porro II binoculars of the era. Decollimation will not have occurred during transit - they were satisfactorily packaged.

I'm not prepared to argue the toss with you about this matter. They were not as described - end of.

I have left neutral feedback.

Chris Lord

- ariscopapo



From: collector-jo

To: ariscopapo

Subject: Re: Other: ariscopapo sent a message about WW2 Vintage Royal Navy Issue Leather Cased Barr & Stroud CF41 Binoculars C1940 #321101758188

Sent Date: 12-May-13 14:16:58 BST

Dear ariscopapo,

Thank you, it clearly shows that we were perfectly happy to have the binoculars returned for a full refund even though you used a veiled threat regarding feedback. I firmly believe you always had the intention to invent this fault in the hope of negotiating a partial refund and reducing your outlay, otherwise you would have returned them for a full refund and moved on. I wonder if you will have the courage to add this message to your website.

Dear collector-jo,

There to remain for all to read. Only the one eyed could fail to see the double image.

Chris Lord

- ariscopapo


Notice how the seller contradicts herself. Her initial response is to claim an associate checked them because she was otherwise occupied, then she insists she checked them very carefully herself. She reveals she purchased them recently and they seemed to be in good condition.

It turned out the other person involved was an antique dealer, based in Woking.

Other than combing antique shops and fayres, and wasting an awful lot of time and fuel, this type of WWII binocular can only be found on-line, and whether it is eBay, or another auction site, this sort of thing is inevitable.

It's also no use returning them because the seller can still claim they were decollimated in transit. And no matter how securely you package them, and even if you return it in their package, they can and probably will insist they were collimated when they shipped them.

The only thing you can do is smile, and pay for their repair. In this case the total cost was 300. A considerable sum you might think, and poor value. But, given that once they have been professionally cleaned, recemented and recollimated, you will have a superb binocular, better than anything made nowadays, perhaps not so poor value after all.



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